live concerts and recording snippets.. illegal?
I wanted to start a discussion about this because I was really rubbed the wrong way this past Thursday at the Polysics show in SF. Keep in mind that band seriously kicks ass and I am just not fond of the band managers approach.
So in a nutshell I was with friends visiting from the UK and recorded most of the day hanging out. We hit the concert and I thought would it be cool to have a 10-15 second memento of us being at this concert. I press record and 5 seconds in the band manager very brashly grabs both my hands and tells me to come to the front of the venue. Mind you this venue is just a dive bar and the flyer + venue has no signs saying you could not record or take pictures. He also wanted to take my camera initially and then insisted on my 8GB SD card. Finally after being so very diplomatic with him he settled for formatting my card. What pissed me off was the guy would not let me keep my memories of my day with my friends from the UK.
Personally if I was a band I would want people to record video or take pictures so I would be seen on the internet and in places maybe I cannot play. Of course this is my opinion.
Now that said... Is it illegal to record a live band or take pictures? I am not talking about the whole show I could understand that but small snippets. Ya know for memory sake. Should it be?
So in a nutshell I was with friends visiting from the UK and recorded most of the day hanging out. We hit the concert and I thought would it be cool to have a 10-15 second memento of us being at this concert. I press record and 5 seconds in the band manager very brashly grabs both my hands and tells me to come to the front of the venue. Mind you this venue is just a dive bar and the flyer + venue has no signs saying you could not record or take pictures. He also wanted to take my camera initially and then insisted on my 8GB SD card. Finally after being so very diplomatic with him he settled for formatting my card. What pissed me off was the guy would not let me keep my memories of my day with my friends from the UK.
Personally if I was a band I would want people to record video or take pictures so I would be seen on the internet and in places maybe I cannot play. Of course this is my opinion.
Now that said... Is it illegal to record a live band or take pictures? I am not talking about the whole show I could understand that but small snippets. Ya know for memory sake. Should it be?
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Permalink Reply by Josh P. on -
wow, that manager is a douche, I go to shows frequently and my friends always have a camera at the ready for concerts, we take pictures and record lots of videos of them and we don't get bothered at all. They were very popular bands too. Even some that weren't.
Some artists even encourage it on their myspace page to record videos and send it to them.
The manager had no right whatsoever to delete everything on your card, something as simple as deleting that one particular video would have been sufficient.
In my opinion, cameras should be allowed in small venues, as you said, it helps expose them to more people.
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Permalink Reply by tubejay on -
just think, if he'd confiscated your card or camera, he'd be infringing on a day of your copyright, instead of you infringing on 15 seconds of the band's.
the law doesn't go so far as to say that one person's copyright is worth more than another's, beyond that registered copyright is easier to defend (and can win you more) in court. but the industry is not the law, and people from the industry don't care about your intellectual property at all. they are hypocrites preaching morality, when they truth is simply that you're only trying to enjoy a show, and they're only trying to milk every last cent, to the point where they have legal rights but for some reason, you don't?
it helps them that it was on private property.
it's still the equivilent of saying "well you took a pack of gum from my shop, therefore i'll just come to your house and empty the fridge." it's not justifiable. also, they're not missing a pack of gum. the only one missing anything is you, the guy that paid to be treated like a human being with 3/5 the rights they have, in the same country. the record industry is a bunch of vigilantes, still doing business the way they did 100 years ago, and they're no example for managers of indie artists.
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Permalink Reply by Tsuko on -
He behaved like a brickhead douche, and yes, i agree that he is violated your rights when he deleted the rest of the day's videos. Heck, he violated your rights by hauling you to the front of the venue; being private property (that the guy might not own), he can kick you out, but he cannot dictate what you do inside; and legaly no jury will listen to him if he tries anything against you for the 5 secs of video... oh, right, there's the bouncers, those are the problem.
Technically, it is illegal to record copyrighted material of a concert, in reality however, acting against the people recording a video with cellphones gets you nothing while making an ass out of yourself and the artist, which means money lost both directly and on legal expenses. When smarter managers weight free publicity + shitty video on youtube versus legal expenses and bad publicity for being an ass, most decide on the former.
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Permalink Reply by Jared Robinette on -
If i were you I would have told the guy to go fuck himself. at the very least they would have kicked you out. And it shouldn't be illegal, you didn't do anything wrong.
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